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<entropy> hello JARBOE...
<jaMB> hello indeed
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<Bish33> Jarboe: were you a fan of the Pixies?
<JARBOE> Pixies : not familiar withthem prior to doing this track
<WhiteLight> *deeSlut* jarboe re: the r.kern work, some fans have stated that its "anti-feminist." how do you feel about that?
<JARBOE> does the term "anti-feminist" suggest that women are inferior ? his work is beautiful and erotic...to me
<JARBOE> the term "anti-feminist" suggests that women are inferior . his work is beautiful and erotic...to me
<JARBOE> the subject deserves more than a one-liner answer . yes i "believe" in both
<WhiteLight> Jarboe: Do you believe in God or Evil? How do you aproach this spiritual issue?
<Lycus> <My1stBORE> Lustmord...is this going to be a group of songs on an album,or a single...?
<JARBOE> lustmord : so far it is a one-track collaborative... as i did with panasonic
<Bish33> Jarboe: has there been any label interest since anhedoniac came out? would you work with a big label?
<JARBOE> label : yes if i was given enough money from a label but generally i am removed from the "music bizness"
<Bish33> *My1stBORE* I think it'd be very hard working with Lasweel and keeping my ideas "pure to form",how was it letting him steer a SWANS release?I know this is both your's and M's least fave SWANS(burning world).
<JARBOE> laswell : laswell is stoic and buddhaesque...
<Lycus> <_bug_> J- Do you have any religious or spiritual practices/beliefs you could discuss?
<JARBOE> i attend mass . i like the Clemont lounge in atlanta ( strip bar with joe coleman-esque ambience)
<JARBOE> these are both religious to me
<Lycus> After THE BURNING WORLD...are you as jaded towards major labels as M. Gira is?
<JARBOE> after THE BURNING WORLD : i hav : verypleased with the direction...
<JARBOE> which is more hopeful and even approaching "bliss" at moments
<Bish33> Jarboe are there other projects outside music you're pursuing?
<JARBOE> a book project with nicole boitos ( who did the bodylovers cover art)
<JARBOE> it will be interesting : my texts with her drawings and prints.
<JARBOE> tank will be designing it....
<Bish33> will it be released in the like Anhedoniac(self produced)?
<JARBOE> it will probably be self-produced, but we might look for distribution...
<JARBOE> just finished a cover of a Pixies song... "interesting" experience .. will be on a compilation ... includes CHANGELINGS...
<JARBOE> just recorded 4 new pieces for the new album... which i will be completing in the middle east
<entropy> a question about the book: *_bug_* dist. w/ 12.13.61 like m.g.'s book perhaps??
<JARBOE> book project : not at all like CONSUMER>.. this one has images w/ text...
<Bish33> Jarboe-any working titles for the project? (music)
<JARBOE> bish 33 : notyet.. the closest thing to it is that it's about recovery....
<JARBOE> and drill bits ...
<entropy> *Chanurs_pride* Please ask how Jarboe got envolved with the dead can dance tribute cd The Carnival Within
<JARBOE> PBK with whom i collaborated on the track , approached me . it was the first thing i did after the final SWANS show in london
<entropy> *deeSlut* (for jarboe) most artist look back on past work with some sense of embarassment (as in, "i cant believe i thought that was a great piece".) do you feel that way about any work in the swans era?
<JARBOE> deeslut : as i have said before ... i don't care for the burning world album. the production was not ours...
<Bish33> *My1stBORE* okay...how much of your material deals with things between you and M?
<JARBOE> bish33 : much of each of our material has been about each other in some way
<Lycus> Jarboe, in the past you've collaborated with the likes of Mark Spybey, David Linton, John Bergin, etc. Who would you like to work with in the future?
<JARBOE> lycus : massive attack, tricky...
<entropy> your new album will be recorded in israel. What significance did that have for you?
<JARBOE> entropy :the middle east is a very compelling idea to me right now
<Bish33> *My1stBORE* Ever going to have JGT(foetus) do some music for you again?
<JARBOE> yes... as i understand it he is working on building a 24-track studio in his loft
<entropy> *_bug_* A restate of my 1st Q... Did you or MG ever bring an aspect of your personal lives together into the swans' creative arena? Does having your material deal with eachother serve to deepen your understanding of eachother?
<JARBOE> entropy : have answered the Q above .... for the latter : ther eis a spiritual connection but not a tangible one presently
<Bish33> *My1stBORE* The new 24 track is done,first product was a Voivod remix...When will your new cd be in stores?ever?or is it just thru the site?
<JARBOE> bsh33 : new as in anhedoniac ? or post -anhedoniac ?
<JARBOE> as for anhedoniac : it is only available from the website and personal mail order...
<JARBOE> and obviously not in stores because of the explicit richard kern photo work
<Bish33> Jarboe: do have an opinion of the president?
<JARBOE> he's hot ....
<JARBOE> i'd bonk him right now...
<Bish33> *My1stBORE* ever consider working with WHITEHOUSE?
<JARBOE> bennett an di have been in contact since before i joined swans ...
<JARBOE> but he considers my work too "rock"... for his taste
<JARBOE> mre excited about collaboration with lustmord
<entropy> *B_a_r_k_e_r* Now that SWANS is no longer, do you have any plans to do live shows. Difficult it would be to produce anything for stage from Anhedoniac, what about future releases?
<JARBOE> not difficult.. a matter of logistics and i do want to do it
<JARBOE> we are working on a performance with spybey in chicago... dec/jan 99
<Bish33> *My1stBORE* were there some Kern shots that were way over the edge???
<JARBOE> there is a very explicit photo right next to the "dedication"
<JARBOE> kern wound up using a pencil and some tissue paper to position my labia for the close-up shot
<JARBOE> other images were fairly overt as well...very richard kern..
<JARBOE> kembra from karen black who is in the sep. penthouse mag. was a delight to work with
<Lycus> Will you be working with Kern again in the future?
<JARBOE> Lycus :he's said he wants to photograph me again sans-bodypaint/scars...
<entropy> I've noticed the phrase "under will" and "love under will" in your writings/music recently... what, if any influence do the writings of Aleister Crowley have on your work?
<JARBOE> entropy : am very familiar with crowley's work... and it is an intentional reference..
<Bish33> *johnnydepp jarboe, have you had any offers to act in films?
<JARBOE> bish33 : experimented with beth b at one time ... but i would love to do film work even soundtrack...there is a porno film with me in it floating around but i have no idea of name etc ...
<Bish33> *My1stBORE* What's the deal with the mention of Polanski in "Tragic Seed"?(this song is WAY too short..love it)
<JARBOE> had read an interview where he said that love was always a tragedy and i thought it was poignant...tragic seed.. i.e sharon tate...
<JARBOE> th ehollywood actress carrying his child, killed by manson family
<entropy> *_bug_* Other than the artist responsible for much of the SWANS' album covers, are there any other visual artists that you admire?
<JARBOE> nayland blake
<JARBOE> andres serrano
<Lycus> <My1stBORE> i heard someone saying you did something with Merzbow,but couldn't find it.Fact or fiction?
<JARBOE> lycus : was asked to compile vocal assembly whichincluded screams, breathing etc to be used as source material for a merzbow project
<JARBOE> don;t know what became of it.. but he is on the list of people to collaborate with
<WhiteLight> *B_a_r_k_e_r* You had mentioned on the mailing list that you may or may not talk about the meaning behind "I'm a killer" in this session. Would you care to elaborate, or not?
<JARBOE> WhiteLight: *B_a_r_k_e_r* : yes.. i can allude to it... if you'd like to ask me a more particular question
<WhiteLight> *_bug_* Earlier you mentioned a cover of a Pixies tune...Which song and on what compilation will it appear?
<JARBOE> "tam e" is the name of the song
<JARBOE> on lifelike records
<WhiteLight> *_bug_* Which Merzbow album did your source material end up on?
<JARBOE> about merzbow : no idea what happened
<Lycus> <My1stBORE> any further work going on with Panasonic?
<JARBOE> panasonic : not at this time .. my idea is to feature a collaboration with a DIFFERENT sound artist with each new release
<entropy> on that note (merzbow) what is your opinion musically about the noise scene? has it influenced you at all?
<JARBOE> merzbow : very very much so in terms of influence...
<JARBOE> my interests in that style of work is what opened my ears to swansin 84
<JARBOE> 83
<JARBOE> i myself did performances / recordings of that genre prior ro swans. there is a piece on the "delicate beast" tape from that era
<WhiteLight> *B_a_r_k_e_r* It seems as though "I'm a Killer" is describing an illness whether physical or otherwise. Is this based upon your past experiences without going into too much detail?
<JARBOE> as far as illness : yes the illness of severe depression/hopelessness
<JARBOE> barker : in the lyrics i refer to a very dramatic incident prior to the 97 tour
<Bish33> Jarboe: were you a fan of the Pixies?
<JARBOE> Pixies : not familiar withthem prior to doing this track
<WhiteLight> *deeSlut* jarboe re: the r.kern work, some fans have stated that its "anti-feminist." how do you feel about that?
<JARBOE> does the term "anti-feminist" suggest that women are inferior ? his work is beautiful and erotic...to me
<JARBOE> the term "anti-feminist" suggests that women are inferior . his work is beautiful and erotic...to me
<JARBOE> the subject deserves more than a one-liner answer . yes i "believe" in both
<WhiteLight> Jarboe: Do you believe in God or Evil? How do you aproach this spiritual issue?
<Lycus> <My1stBORE> Lustmord...is this going to be a group of songs on an album,or a single...?
<JARBOE> lustmord : so far it is a one-track collaborative... as i did with panasonic
<Bish33> Jarboe: has there been any label interest since anhedoniac came out? would you work with a big label?
<JARBOE> label : yes if i was given enough money from a label but generally i am removed from the "music bizness"
<Bish33> *My1stBORE* I think it'd be very hard working with Lasweel and keeping my ideas "pure to form",how was it letting him steer a SWANS release?I know this is both your's and M's least fave SWANS(burning world).
<JARBOE> laswell : laswell is stoic and buddhaesque...
<Lycus> <_bug_> J- Do you have any religious or spiritual practices/beliefs you could discuss?
<JARBOE> i attend mass . i like the Clemont lounge in atlanta ( strip bar with joe coleman-esque ambience)
<JARBOE> these are both religious to me
<Lycus> After THE BURNING WORLD...are you as jaded towards major labels as M. Gira is?
<JARBOE> after THE BURNING WORLD : i have stated that i am not part of the music business
<Lycus> Do you collect Joe Coleman's work?
<JARBOE> yes i have a rare edition of his work...in print " Man of Sorrows" .. i love his work
<Lycus> <_bug_> Where did the Panasonic collaboration see release?
<JARBOE> Panasonic : Panasonic in red dirt .. on anhedoniac
<Bish33> *Mistie* On the song Mississippi you personify this old woman story teller. What inspired the words and vocals?
<JARBOE> mistie : the black mammy who raised me in rural miss. where i was born and lived until i was 5
<Lycus> Would you consider getting Joe Coleman to do cover art for any of your future albums?
<JARBOE> coleman : well.... he almost did the cover for the Consumer (mg's book).. but i don't think he' appropriate for my work
<JARBOE> on an island off the coast of india somewhere
<Bish33> *My1stBORE* Before you go:THANK YOU for creating,i LOVE every facet of your work to date...so where do you see yourself in ten years?
<JARBOE> in 10 years...
<JARBOE> how about we continue ...maybe until we tire out at this end
<Bish33> *Mistie* Last year I had the oppurtunity to meet you backstage at the Cats Cradle in North Carolina. I gave you a stuffed animal rabbit and I am curious to whether you still have it or not?
<JARBOE> i remember you well mistie. the rabbit is in a safe place.
<WhiteLight> *B_a_r_k_e_r* Durring your last IRC session, you mentioned living in a commune while growing up. Do any of the songs you've written in the past relay your experience with this?
<JARBOE> barker : generall y the experience of "free love" in teh commune has definitely affected my views...
<WhiteLight> *My1stBORE* What are your favorite writers of fiction?
<JARBOE> bret easton ellis !!!!!
<JARBOE> paul west , patrick mcgrath
<WhiteLight> <LooseNut> Ask Jarboe If she love some french writer
<JARBOE> proust ...
[B_a_r_k_e_r] I read in an Outburn interview on the site about the humiliation you had to endure to get anywhere in the industry. Do you feel this has hurt or helped your status?
<JARBOE> barker : well... i don't like victim speak so i don't consider myself a victim of any of that...
<Bish33> *Mistie* What aspect of Anhedionac if any do you feel you did not completely purge yourself of, and do you feel your next work will address?
<JARBOE> the next wrok is a conscious effort to move forward emotionally and psychologically . i don't want to look back. i.e .. "purge" further
<My1stBORE> have any favorite movies?
<JARBOE> fave ; movies : rapture, orlando, baxter, anything by clive barker
[B_a_r_k_e_r] I don't think most ussers of the SWANS page understand exactly where the proceeds from purchases go. Would you care to expand on this?
<JARBOE> barker : emphatically : they make possible all future projects, recording and otherwise.
<_bug_> Yours and MG's independent and collaborative work mean A LOT to me...THANK YOU!!!
<JARBOE> bug : thank you very much ....
<johnnydepp> J, are there any avenues of artistic expression you feel you'd like to explore that you haven't yet?
<JARBOE> film scoring . even acting.
[B_a_r_k_e_r] Clive got many of his early works published through a California based publication "New Blood Magazine" with a very small circulation. Is any of your early work published in such?
<JARBOE> barker : in a number of small pubs.
<Mistie> If you had to recommend one book, perhaps an old favorite,not depending on subject or interest, what would it be?
<JARBOE> mistie : non-fiction : HOW WE DIE
<JARBOE> mistie : by sherwin b. nulland
<LooseNut> Jarboe: How was it to work with Fred Frith on Burning World?
<JARBOE> frith :i sang my melodic ideas and he effortlessly played them on his violin. he is a joy
<Bish33> Jarboe: what one song who recorded is a personal favorite? swans song?
<Bish33> sorry "you" recorded
<JARBOE> spiral staircase on sac. cake, as far as swans : blood and honey. hypogirl
<WhiteLight> Jarboe: could you list your 10 island records?
<JARBOE> 10 records : anything by :
<JARBOE> maria callas, glen gould ( bach), cop
<My1stBORE> J-----is there enough on film to do a SWANS home video???
<JARBOE> there is a history of swans video in the works...
<entropy> was the soundtrack to beth b's "two small bodies" inspired by the movie, or done independantly?
<JARBOE> beth b : we made the music for the film
<My1stBORE> Did you like Nick Cave's novel "and the ass....."
<JARBOE> love nick cave's novel... also enjoy cormac mccarthy
<LooseNut> Jarboe: Cache Toi is in french... Do you know french very well?
<JARBOE> french : my grandfather was french... but the only fr. i remember as a child was creole
<JARBOE> saw the plague mass @ st. john the divine
<Mistie> How would one be able to aquire the film "Two small Bodies" and could you give a short overview of the plot?
<JARBOE> mistie : have seen it at video stores in NY.. art video houses
<JARBOE> plot : 2 people in a room .. intense psychological drama
<_bug_> J-- Do you have any pets/animals?
<JARBOE> pets : 80 or so huge black crows are fed each morning
<JARBOE> bug : pets in atl
<My1stBORE> J-----go to New Orleans much??????
<JARBOE> new orleans : yes.. have dead relatives there...
<WhiteLight> OH please Jarboe, finish your 10 records list!!!
<JARBOE> after those 3 records : i am sated
<johnnydepp> J, any plans for a swans book? or a jarboe and/or gira biography or autobiography?
<JARBOE> book : it's a good idea... have both been approached by various writers...previous proposals wanted for my bio wanted to emphasize the sexwork part of my history ...certainly hope the book project happens..
<JARBOE> regardless
<Mistie> Were there two different versions of "love will tear us apart" released seperately? Is Joy Division an influence in your work, especially early on?
<JARBOE> mistie : cd release did not have the j version and was only on vinyl
[B_a_r_k_e_r] Reading a review on "Sacrificial Cake" states "could be lulled into believing this was an attempt to move into the area created by the Harris/Bates "Murder Ballads" project." Do you think that to be an accurate assessment of the work?
<JARBOE> barker : yes.. can see the relation.
<_bug_> I found the interview in Angry Women in Rock very inspirational and respect greatly your ability to be so open!
<JARBOE> bug : don't know any other way
<JARBOE> one last Q :
<JARBOE> before i go.
<johnnydepp> J, do you find the website a good outlet for you?
<JARBOE> webiste : it keeps me in touch with my audience+ patrons. it is essential to me.
[B_a_r_k_e_r] Just to close and give everyone else a chance to speak freely, I would just like to say how much we appreciate the time you give us in events such as this. Hopefully with this type of environment you are able to see how much your work means to so many of us out here.
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<AyseT> Thank you so much.
<_bug_> PROPS TO JARBOE!!!!
<Cheadle> J... thank you so much for all your wonderful creations... your music has changed my life...
<johnnydepp> here here
<WhiteLight> and to us too Jarboe!!!
<Bish33> Jarboe: talk to you soon...
<LooseNut> JARBOE... Many Thanks for everything!
[B_a_r_k_e_r] Thanks to all the OP's here at Channel SWANS as well.
<JARBOE> i appreciate all of you for supporting this chat tonight. love .. jarboe
<JARBOE> goodbye
--Hope you enjoyed-- Carl P. "Barker" Biondolillo